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#1 2008-09-29 08:50:10

momo3auts
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Jenny McCarthy.....

I just wondered what everyone thought about Jenny. She's on TV again talking about Warrior Mom's on the front lines of Autism. What I find disconcerting is that she talks about how Autism is 100% curable....I'm not sure that really helps the cause or the fight for funding, understanding or acceptance.  She speaks of her website...Generation Rescue which I looked at. I don't know. I just feel like she could be also giving false hope to some families...I know some treatments help, work, improve....but cure is a very strong word when it comes to this spectrum and just kind of wondered what everyone else thought about it???

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#2 2008-10-01 19:32:21

MyEverest
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Re: Jenny McCarthy.....

Jenny made this same comment on Larry King or maybe Oprah a few months ago. However, she had to restated that its not 100% curable, but with early intensive treatment the effects of autism are less noticeable. The childrens brains are rewired with therapy and with that it almost appears to be 100% curable.  I hope I make sense. I think Temple Grandin is a perfect example of what Jenny means. Temple is a successful individual with a doctorate degree. She is very functional, but she still has sensory issues, and she has learned the tools she needs to survive in our world of thinking.

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#3 2008-10-02 13:08:39

LisaAKAmom
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Re: Jenny McCarthy.....

I agree with you Mom...I feel the same way. I also disagree with the word recover, I think it leads to false information and false hope. I personally prefer the word Progress...because no matter what therapy you try all of our children make some progress, some more than others....but I think the word recover is misleading and leads people to believe that its curable, and its not.
I'm happy that her son has made all the progress he has made...but I know alot of parents that would love to have the same results. Who have tried the Diet and everything, they can for their child, with less than positive results. Amom who has done the Diet with her child for years...and that child is still very much locked in his own world and still nonverbal.
Dont get me wrong...I'm not bashing any type of therapy...because we all know...one size doesnt fit all, and what works with one child, may not work for another...but unfortunately thats not the message that really gets accrossed to the General Public.
They hear the words they want to hear...Recover and think crisis solved.

I agree...Temple Grandlin is Amazing, and is someone that gives us alot of hope for our children.  I can think of a few others that come to mind....We always have Hope.


One the other hand, I will say, Jenny has been successful in getting peoples attention...and for that I am grateful.

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#4 2008-10-03 08:09:04

momo3auts
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Re: Jenny McCarthy.....

I like that Lisa....Progressive children....my kids have progressed from where they first started and I am grateful for that as well. I agree, Jenny has shone a light on Autism that puts it firmly in the front and center of discussion...I just hope she will be cautious when talking about what the end game is in Autism at this time.

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#5 2008-10-03 15:30:53

striving
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Re: Jenny McCarthy.....

I feel she leaves out the fact that she has the money to do numerous things for her son that many may not. She probably has the popularity to make people do what she wants too. It's unrealistic to say all can do everything she's done and it's also unfair to say we're not good parents if we can't afford it all.

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#6 2008-10-04 12:53:45

ronca
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Re: Jenny McCarthy.....

Not a Jenny fan at all.  I think she makes things all sound just a bit too simple.  it is sometimes a" slap in the face" to folks whose child may not have come along and have done everything in their power.

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#7 2008-10-04 20:01:55

autti34
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i do not like her at all i wish someone would tell her to shut up
autism is not curble she talk aboyut it like it cancer .insted of a birth defect .if her son is cure he never was autisc in the first place .if he not it proubly why she not showing off her so call cure son.she only spreading more ingorents an gibving new parents fause hope .there are alot of us like me who werent hf as a child but becuse are parent got what ever therphy were out bthere anb work with us at home we are now hf or as an at times may pass for nt .but i can tell you even though i can do alot of things im still autisc an ld .if a child end up off the asd .then the child never had autism to begin with .she proubly upset to have a child that not perfect to fit her perfect imang .i no pewople who have seen her at connfernce she low class loud and full of her self she like to swaer alot .i think she should stick to what she no .playboy .acting and being aboniucs she not someone i am proud of to respenc us at all

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#8 2008-10-04 20:05:20

autti34
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Re: Jenny McCarthy.....

also some childern with autism are also mr those childsern are the one who are severe to mod an wont ever be hf to live on there own or drive a car or what ever .it make them feel bad when they her here tyalking like that

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#9 2008-10-19 09:00:51

momo3auts
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if her son is cure he never was autisc in the first place

I think that is a VERY good point. I am disappointed in the fact that I just don't feel she is saying anything the right way....and by the looks of the comments I'm right on the money as far as that's concerned.

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#10 2008-10-19 11:04:49

shannonj
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Re: Jenny McCarthy.....

I agree that this is a sensitive topic.  Parents whose children have "recovered" often speak as if they did more or worked harder to help their kids, and if we all would just do exactly what they did, then our children would be "recovered" as well.  You see that with the biomedical crowd, but also with the ABA/intensive therapy crowd too.  I remember reading Catherine Maurice's book, Let Me Hear Your Voice, and then doing all the ABA and even more than she did and never seeing the same results....Then, with biomedical, I've been doing the diet and many biomedical treatments for over 10 years with my son---and he still has a very long way to go.  It just means that every child is different and that each child need to be understood for who they are, what their individual body needs, and what learning style addresses their academic and developmental needs.  I don't resent Jenny for sharing her story because I think she is bringing a lot of hope and light to this community, but I also she needs to be more respectful of those who have come before her and have had a different journey.  We also need to make sure that the needs of our children as they grow and age out of schools are still brought into focus and recognized as important, because they are not going away.

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#11 2008-10-19 15:34:37

autti34
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Re: Jenny McCarthy.....

i saw her on the cover og us mag with my mom shge with her son .my mom say he still looks autisc an once he was on tv with he stard tio hand flap she put his hand down qucik .that not recoved as there is no such thing .unless your taking about an illines an even then it rare .you can over come learn coping skills an stuff to wear it min but even when psrents think there kids r so hf no one can tell .they find out people stiull can an it not fair to do it to the kids

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#12 2008-10-19 15:38:57

autti34
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Re: Jenny McCarthy.....

but there are all ways going bto be some kids with autism that no matter how much therhy an money you thriow into it they will all ways be the same i have seen this to an there poarents do everything an try ,but sometimes it dosnt matter she lucky her her son is on the mild side .an taking dosnt mean recover .she thinks becue her son taks he recover

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#13 2008-10-19 17:27:34

shannonj
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Re: Jenny McCarthy.....

There is still so much to learn about autism.  And because autism is a list of symptoms, not a set of biomedical markers, there are probably many different forms of autism.  And perhaps, some forms are treatable and managed with diet and supplements and/or medications while others are more permanent and lifelong.  Hopefully, in the future, scientists will identify these different subtypes and parents will be able to address their child's individual needs appropriately.  In the meantime, I think we all need to just be understanding of each other, and recognize that we are all doing the best that we can do.  Hopefully, Jenny will learn a little tact and maybe gain some understanding about other individuals on the spectrum who are on a different journey.  She needs to be recognize that there are amazing individuals on the spectrum and their presence in our lives is a gift......

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#14 2008-10-20 12:52:37

Mom4Autism
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Re: Jenny McCarthy.....

Shannon "Let me hear your voice" was the first book I read about autism.  I believed back then that that was what Raymond needed.  ABA Discreet Trial Training, OT, Speech, etc. And he's done well with it.  He still has moments of 'autism' .. do I think he's cured.  No.  I am in the minority when it comes to the rest of the people in his life but I know him through and through.  What worked for Raymond worked very well but I've also seen other autistic children not benefit so much.  That's where it is so confusing.  I'm just grateful for Raymond it worked so well.  I never tried any special diet, just a lot of therapy, behavior mod and schooling, schooling, schooling.

In all the programs I've seen where autism was presented, they often interviewed the parents and showed bits and pieces of the autistic kid.  That's not a true description.  I'd like to see a full length program of their day .. not the edited version to know for sure.  Raymond still exhibits some behaviors, like when he's in the shower and has full on  conversations about stuff .. out loud.  I will knock on the door and say, "Ray .. hey, no documentaries today ok?"

The only child I've seen interviewed was JMac, the basketball kid; he did more for our community ... teaching America that hey ... these kids are awesome, let's help 'em.

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#15 2008-10-20 13:53:08

autti34
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Re: Jenny McCarthy.....

i worry about parent who may flow her advice but not geting good or rihght dr and the child is harm we heard about kids been killed vby these treamts .shre act like only her way works an it not smart for her to give out medical advice is she prepaird to be sue if a parent try something she did and it gose wrong an the child is harm or dies

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#16 2008-10-20 16:09:37

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Re: Jenny McCarthy.....

I am sorry to admit I do not have time to read everyone's posts, however, I saw "Jenny McCarthy" and that infuriated me enough to post a thought. My opinion of Jenny McCarthy is not a good one. I feel as if Jenny has used her place as a very rich public figure to almost "show off" in some way. Isn't it amazing that someone in the spotlight, with all that money, would be able to help her child on the spectrum "recover". What about the nannies that work for her, do they get credit for helping?

What about all of us "regular middle class moms". Those of us who will never be on Oprah or Regis and Kelly telling our story, yet our story is just as important, and possibly just as phenomenal, as Jenny's. Those of us whose lives have been consumed by our fight for our child, while still being a regular loving devoted mom, not only to our "special" child but to our other children also. Some of us, like Jenny AND ME, and MANY OTHERS, have had a failed marriage during all of this also. Some of us, like Jenny, AND ME AND MANY OTHERS, have found an amazing man who, despite all of the extras that come along with our lives, they choose to spend their lives with us, joining our battle. They may not completely understand it yet, but they are there by our side nonetheless.

What about all of you fathers out there? How many of you, who are just regular middle class dads, have been in the exact same position as Jenny, me and all of us moms? What a shame it will be when there is a famous dad to do like Jenny has done. She didn't bring more attention to Autism as much as she did to herself.

Okay Jenny, pat yourself on the back. But instead of patting myself on the back I will wake up every day to take care of ALL of my children, all of whom are equally important, to me, and to society. I will follow our routine so as to help ALL of my children have a good day. I will drop two of my kids off to school, go to my measly 3.5 hour a day job as a cafeteria aide, since my 40+ hour a week job with the Postal Service just didn't work for David, even when it worked for my other children. My husband will work double shifts as an officer so that we can afford for me to no longer work at the Post Office.

All of this I will continue to do with a smile in my heart and on my face. I wouldn't trade my life for any amount of money in the world. I will continue to thank my Lord and Savior for these blessings He has bestowed on me for He thought I was perfect for this job.

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#17 2008-10-20 18:26:08

autti34
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Re: Jenny McCarthy.....

even at autism coinnfernces it all about her an her books an she like to swear alot .she is annoying im sure in gtime other will get sick of her .it amazing my pateernt found help for me to become hf when there wasnt all this help an as much therphys an so on as now .she acts like she invetd all these things an most parents cant aford alkl the things she dose .

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#18 2008-10-23 07:07:35

momo3auts
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Re: Jenny McCarthy.....

So just when you think we've run out of this subject, did anyone see the US Weekly magazine cover???? http://www.rescuepost.com/photos/uncate … over_2.jpg

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#19 2008-11-25 12:38:26

PeterPan
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Re: Jenny McCarthy.....

I have to agree with the posters about not thinking too much about Jenny... anymore.  I did read her first book, and was very glad to have a celebrity so much in the public eye bringing autism to light.  But... it kind of stopped there.  I cannot stand to see her rudeness on any talkshow.  She never gives the other side a chance to speak completely even when the host designates that time as belonging to another guest on the show.  I would only go on a show with her if they agreed to gag her when it is my turn to speak, offer input, opinion, etc...  Now that being said if I was rich, popular, famous, all the above... I have no doubt I would do everything in my power to get my son the best possible help and therapies.  As for her child being healed... well I do no believe there is a mainstream cure, and the cases of being cured of autism are very very very very far and few between.  I believe she might have found a diet, and therapy program that works for her son, but without that ...  well that is not a cure, but a lifestyle to accommodate the condition (which do not get me wrong, can be a very great, positive, and wonderful thing).  And while she may be easy on the eyes....  I can stand to listen or even watch her when she is on tv.  Glad she is bringing awareness, but her beliefs are so narrow, sometimes I fear she is bringing the wrong publicity, and her attitude on camera, just makes me shudder...uuuuuuuuuuu

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#20 2008-12-02 18:14:06

momma2my3sons
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Re: Jenny McCarthy.....

some of what she has said has hurt me. I hate the fact that says she will never have another child because of her son's autism. I was discouraged to never have another child after having one with autism. That' just re-enforces that belief. I aslo don't think you are "cured" you may become more functional. I've seen grown adults with autism/aspergers and despite being able to function they still have those lil quirks. Its great that she's brough attention but I cannot afford half the therapies I would love for my son. I can barely find a doctor to see him that takes my insurance. What about helping those people?

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#21 2008-12-03 11:35:43

LisaAKAmom
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Re: Jenny McCarthy.....

I agree with the majority here...so I wont beat a Dead Horse.
But Shannon has also brought up a very REAL and SERIOUS PROBLEM,
Now facing many of our Children....
GROWING UP and NO WHERE TO GO!!!!
I have to admit as my son is now getting ready for transistion in jr. high....I am more and more concerned. Up until now, it has been a battle to get medical treatment and a proper education....but I also know parents who's child has now aged out of School....and they are struggling to find Adult Programs and Proper Medical Care and treatment.
Like Shannon Said...Our Kids arent going away...and we have a big PROBLEM on our hands.....Just getting our kids through school isnt enough.
And Just trying to Recover...Still dont like that word......ISNT ENOUGH!!!
So I think we really need to look at what we can do for our Adult Population....and transitioning.
Alot of our kids right now are ending up sitting at home because there arent any programs after High School...or they are being placed in Institutions.

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#22 2008-12-04 19:27:41

christianmom
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Re: Jenny McCarthy.....

I agree with Lisa.  My son is currently in 8th grade.  I worry about him transistioning from High School to whatever his future holds.  I pray that he will continue to show progress, but lets face it sometimes they regress.  The only thing I know to do is to pray for him, and work for him to make sure I have done everything in my power to help him in all his transistions.

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#23 2008-12-11 09:53:00

PeterPan
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Re: Jenny McCarthy.....

I found this link on AbcNews.com..  It is very interesting and discusses a program for young adults with autism transitioning to college....
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=6 … amp;page=1

Thought it might be of some interest to this discussion.

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#24 2008-12-14 16:51:50

momof2boyz
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Re: Jenny McCarthy.....

To Autti34...I just love reading your comments. Thank you so much for being so brave to share them with the rest of us. It's so good to hear from someone like yourself. Thank you. Keep your thoughts and comments coming. I look forward to reading them!

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#25 2008-12-14 17:16:50

momof2boyz
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Re: Jenny McCarthy.....

Parenting is the toughest job in the world. Moms are particularly vulnerable to the opinions and comments of others, especially those from other moms. We women can be really intolerant, opinionated and just plain difficult with each other. When we step back and try to realize that not all of us are created "equal" in the sense that we each have our own genes, environmental upbringing, factoring in educational level, married life or single parent life, there is no "One-size-fits-all" rule of thumb on how to parent, especially an autistic child. I have found my greatest source of information from reading book after book after book, articles and websites. You have to throw out what doesn't make sense to you and keep what does. Some organizations that sprouted up as autism became more pronounced in the consciousness of our nation's parents maybe got started out for the right reason and then somewhere lost track of their vision due to greed for power or money or the lime light. Who knows? All I know is that I must educate myself first before I can help my child, his teachers and the school system that teaches him. The rest I leave to God and God alone. Between Him and me, we work out the nitty, gritty stuff that no one else gets about me and my son. The frustrations, tears, anger, screaming and so on . . . whether Jenny McCarthy believes one way or another will have no bearing on the decisions I make for my son. She has her experience and I have mine. Yes, I hear her comments from time to time or read a headline...but I don't dwell on it. That's her experience. NOT MINE! Every child is different. And as parents who know our children well. I think we each pretty much know the answer to the questions - Is there a cure for autism? Is autism a biomedical condition? A psychiatric condition? A disease caused by vaccines? You'll find the answer you need. It's deep within you.

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